天美麻豆

Hi Carlos聽

I have in the past visited that project (Genuino Sesmarias Gardens) with intention of buying there. There are a few comments that I refrain from making.

Nevertheless, I am confused why the builder is named ESCALA GLOBAL for you. For me, they were introduced as LARSEGURO UNIPESSOAL LDA

I am hoping Johnny is going to advise us on contracts because I have come across some contracts that have been incomplete/invalid under the law

@carlos-sousa

Hi Carlos,

Yes. This is common in Portugal.

Timelines are never correct and delays are pretty common on constructions.

Escala Global is the construction company so why are they telling you to contact the builder? With who is your contract with? Genuino Investments (the promoters) or Escala Global (the builders)?

Who recommended your lawyer?

@Mydeliveries

Larseguro is a company with 1 year and has its business registered as buying and selling real estate.

They could have bought your condo and are now trying to sell it to you.

@Nia Queiroz

Larseguro was noted as the actual builder on paperwork given to me聽

@Mydeliveries

I can't see their builders activity code. Only business transactions in real estate.

But without checking the documents I can't really tell.

Is their NIF 516798863?

They have the exact same fiscal address as Mfvias - Engenharia e Constru莽玫es , Lda but with a different NIF: 516626230 that is a 2 yo company that was previous known by DUNAS ESBELTAS LDA.

All pretty dodgy to me.

Construction Companies often file for bankruptcy and re open with a new name.

the contract i have states Larseguro NIF as 516798863

and the address as Rua das alfarrobeiras lote 11

when my husband read the contract he made a comment that i thought was outrageous to say about such a nice portuguese person. And apart from telling my husband off i was very upset with him too. however I shortly realised that the common courtesy and hospitality and friendliness of the portuguese shouldn鈥檛 ever automatically be seen as trustworthiness. its sad to think of what could have happened聽

however there are a lot of real agents selling these apartments. maybe other buyers had no problems聽

I am here in Vilamoura聽 for a month and was interested in buying a new villa. however after visiting and talking to few agent and lawyer decided to postpone due to similar issue, same villa same site and two agents聽 have different builder and different contract paper work, after showing the paperwork to two different lawyers (after paying their fees) both advice me to wait聽 just FYI

I have also contacted my lawyer in Portim茫o several times without a response.

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聽 聽 -@carlos-sousa

Hi,

I find the comment about your lawyer very concerning, I assume you had them read the contract(s) and advise so they should be able to explain your various options if the builder/developer/sales agent聽 are having issues.

@Strontium

Hi @Strontium

I鈥檝e been meaning to ask this question ever since coming to Portugal: Are lawyers required to have liability insurance? Can you hold them accountable for losses when proven that they did not advise correctly?

Many thanks

聽 聽 @Strontium
Hi @Strontium

I鈥檝e been meaning to ask this question ever since coming to Portugal: Are lawyers required to have liability insurance? Can you hold them accountable for losses when proven that they did not advise correctly?

Many thanks
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聽 聽 -@Mydeliveries

I am not going to answer your question directly because if you require legal advice then I suggest you consult an legal adviser and not take your legal advice from an online forum.聽 Normal people would, presumably, ensure that their legal adviser was competent and had liability insurance if they thought either was important to them - You have not been charged for this advice.聽 Have a nice day.

So if a legal advisor is listed on Ordem dos Advogados i would presume that is sufficient to say that they are competent. Am i correct?

@Mydeliveries,

All lawyers practising in Portugal have to be registered with the Portuguese Ordem dos Advogados . If they are all honest and competent, that's another issue.聽 But you can complain about a lawyer to the Ordem dos Advogados . Here's how to do it:

Solicitors, Lawyers & Administrative division of Portugal:

/forum/viewtopic.php?id=941009

@JohnnyPT

thanks Johnny

I have purchased a property in Matosinhos with expected possession in July 2024.聽 has been postponed to Q1 2025 due to a city embargo (heritage building).聽 advised of issue promptly.聽 provided with quarterly reports.聽 Very reliable company (Qualive).聽 lawyers that I am dealing with both for my NHR status and my real estate purchase extremely professional (Tellus)

@Mydeliveries

Courtesy and hospitality and friendliness are never a sign of trustworthiness.聽 All scammers use those to scam you. Portuguese are no different. I am Portuguese and know what I am talking about. Specially in the builders industry. Their friendliness is directly connected with your money...

Nevertheless, the job of a real estate agent is to sell. If selling an unfinished property, it won't be their problem if the property isn't finished. By that time, they already got their share and have nothing to do with the business. They are just promoters.

@Mydeliveries

Lawyers have an insurance of Responsabilidade civil that can be use to compensate customers based on error, omission or negligence, but for that would be necessary to prove that they have participate on what caused the loss and that would be extremely hard to win and would take years in court.

@Mydeliveries

That would be great, but unfortunately to be registered at the Ordem dos Advogados, they only have to complete law school and the Ordem exame.

The does not translate in being honest, competent, reliable.

What you see the most in Portugal are incompetent lawyers and accountants who don't really are up to date with the law or know how to navigate the system.

@carlos-sousa

i was also looking to buy a property in the same lication and did a video call 2 days ago and it still looks very much like a construction site. If I proceed the contract is with 鈥淓SCALA GLOBAL, S.A鈥�

Have you resolved your issues?

@carlos-sousa

Escala global scale is a construction company that is building in the Algarve and will certainly be the company that signed a contract with you. GENU脥NO INVESTMENTS is a global brand that is responsible for promoting its properties. For what I heard, they are builders with a lot of experience in the market and are very serious about doing business.

Delays in construction work are common practices in Portugal, mainly due to bureaucracy.

I am aware that there are other companies building in the sesmarias but none have a direct connection to Escala Global. They could be real estate agents trying to impersonate the company to gain credibility at the company's expense.

What I suggest is to try to get in touch with your lawyer or sending an email to the company.

@carlos-sousa

Escala Global is a construction company that is building in the Algarve and will certainly be the company that signed a contract with you. GENU脥NO INVESTMENTS is a global brand that is responsible for promoting its properties. For what I heard, they are builders with a lot of experience in the market and are very serious about doing business.

Delays in construction work are common practices in Portugal, mainly due to bureaucracy.

I am aware that there are other companies building in the sesmarias but none have a direct connection to Escala Global. They could be real estate agents trying to impersonate the company to gain credibility at the company's expense.

What I suggest is to try to get in touch with your lawyer or sending an email to the company.

@carlos-sousa - Carlos, my wife and I purchased in that complex as well (we made the commitment back in November 2022 - Lote 2) and to say we are disgusted by the speed with which it is progressing is an understatement. If you'd like to chat further please let me know. Can't figure out if you can Private message or not but we'll figure that out. Best of luck to you guys!

My mother, God rest her soul, lost her lifes savings on a condo project in Porto. Builder went belly up.

@carlos-sousa

Good morning, I am also curious about the reliability of this company (Genuino Investments). Have you always managed to solve your problem? Do you already have your apartment ready?

Compliments,

Liliana

have you a solution now?

I the same problem with sesmarias garden !

thank you for the answer

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@markajacoby

Hi, we are looking to purchase an T2 apartment Genuino Cerca Colegio ( off-plan) in Portimao via Escala Global.聽 Please, it would be helpful to hear your experience dealing with them.

Many thanks

toujours silence total de escala global apr猫s achat et rien ne se passe

莽a devient inqui茅tant !!!

Try to submit a complaint at IMPIC (PT builder's regulator agency)聽 against Escala Global S.A. here:

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Escala Global S.A

ALVAR脕 N.潞 72281 (builder licence number)

NIPC 510 264 476

Merci, je vais le faire en esp茅rant que l'entreprise est toujours en activit茅

I am also a Sesmarias buyer. Has anyone received their keys?

bonjour est ce que votre probl猫me est r茅solu? En ce qui me concerne aucun avancement dans les travaux , l'immeuble n'est pas encore sorti de terre , alors que c'茅tait pr茅vu pour fin juin....je suis inquiet , tr猫s inquiet.

@Klfrance

hello,

Please note that you are on the anglophone forum. It is required that you write in english.

Thank you

Bhavna

Hi, we are having the same experience with Escala Global.

We bought a T3 in Lote 8, December 2021. The real estate agent promissed it would be ready end of summer 2022. But when we signed the purchase contract, the delivery was set to June 2023. Okay. Then they said they had to postpone the delivery date with 6 months. And then again with 3 months. We assumed we could enjoy our apartment summer 2024, but no. The reals estate agent told us that the apartment is ready but that they still don't have permits of the town hall.

They don't answer our mails, they don't answer to questions of our real estate agent and not to official letters of our lawyer who told them that they are not fulfilling the contract.

We are going to visit the construction site for the sixt time beginning November, hoping to put in the furniture provisionally, without having the deed done.

We are still looking forward and know that we have to adapt to the Portuguese way. But dealing with Escala Global is a pain.

@moborive20 - The biggest concern we've had is the delays. The excuse is constantly that they don't have enough workers. I have very little doubt that our project will get done, it's just when will it get done. We bought in September 2022 when it was dirt and 2 years later it's a brick structure. Our contract said it would be delivered in March 2024. We're now being told May 2025. The project manager (Mr Celio) is nice, but the communication with the main office is bad. It's going to be nice when done but....

@inberlin the communication thing is the worst. I can deal with a lot if you talk to me, but when they don't respond to lawyers..... Wow

@markajacoby thank you for sharing your experience with us. We have decided not to proceed with the purchase and gone with another project.

This is pretty much the norm in Portugal. Developers will need to sell all or most of the condos so they have the money to build. It's a huge risk and it can take around 4 years. In the 90's, contractors would just declare bankruptcy and the bricks would stay there abandoned.

Unless is something already in the finishing stages, I would run away from developments in the early stages.

And yes, contractors have a huge lack of employees as most don't show up to work or call in sick or disappear after 2 days of work.聽

@markajacoby

two weeks ago they told us : " Boa tarde

Acabei de ser informada pela Engenheira Carina que esperam ter as licen莽as聽 prontas no final deste m锚s e assim agendava se a聽 escritura.

Caso exiate algum atraso da parte da Camara, uma semana antes, a Engenheira Carina ficou de me informar sobre a situa莽茫o da vinda dos clientes e dos m贸veis."

"Good afternoon I have just been informed by Engineer Carina that they expect to have the licenses ready by the end of this month and so the deed was scheduled. If there was any delay on the part of the Chamber, a week before, Engineer Carina was to inform me about the situation of the arrival of customers and furniture. "

We had planned to put furniture in the apartment first week of November ahead of the final deed. Last year they told us that was no problem. Now they come up with promises they never fulfill. Still no permits issued by the townhall.

We are visiting the site coming Saturday, anxious what we'll encounter...

@markajacoby

聽 Hello, we are having the same issues. We live in the US . Have you had anything resolved?聽 I think it would be beneficial if everyone that is having the same issues maybe get on a email chain and to figure out what we may be able to do collectively. The contract states that if they don鈥檛 comply with their contract and we decide to back out they owe us double the amt we鈥檝e put down. We are in the process of obtaining a lawyer.

Pls contact us- I will post same on other posts.

we purchases July 2021!!

@inberlin

any news on what you encountered on-site? Thanks!